So I made 3 tulpas which I now don't know which is who.
I don't really know who's personality is who, just bits of pieces which I can sort of match with the person(edited)
So I made 3 tulpas which I now don't know which is who. I don't really know who's personality is who, just bits of pieces which I can sort of match with the person
@Rxspty - jump
if they are messy like that a good start could be to sit with piece of paper and try to write down all the personalities and names and try to make sense of it on paper
after that i would suggest creating tupperbox bots for each and let them speak even if it's on your private server without other people.
as gelato said socialising is very important and them having their own experiences will separate them more from you and each other.
humans are social creatures, we use other people as mirrors to see who we are so just like you learn about who you are through interactions with people, your tulpas will as well
Dreams mean nothing...unless you want them to.
Basically, you don't have to accept what happens in a dream. Oftentimes what happens in dreams doesn't make a lot of sense. However, I do know some tulpas who feel their "dream lore" is important to them.
I can't speak on lucid dreaming experiences. I guess it depends on how lucid you are, but it's ultimately still a judgement call.
A long kiss goodnight
Dreams mean nothing...unless you want them to.
Basically, you don't have to accept what happens in a dream. Oftentimes what happens in dreams doesn't make a lot of sense. However, I do know some tulpas who feel their "dream lore" is important to them.
I can't speak on lucid dreaming experiences. I guess it depends on how lucid you are, but it's ultimately still a judgement call.
I come from the opposite side. Dream theory is a clusterfuck of arguing theories with lots of holes but it's generally agreed on by many academics that dreams do have subjective meaning regardless of the how's and why's
5:29 AM
What this meaning is though is dependent on the person and not universal. No two people have the same exact dream meaning although they can be similar in many ways.
Luminesce: The idea that dream content "means something" is a little misguided(edited)
5:36 AM
It's more that your dreams draw upon thoughts and experiences you have in waking life to create their content
5:37 AM
(Though they can also just get wacky to the extent you can imagine new things as combinations of old stuff you've experienced, and the average content of people's dreams can often vary wildly from "school, work and home dreams" to "Dreaming about stressful, unrealistic events" to "Living video games/fantasy/so on")
5:39 AM
I can personally trace back nearly all content in my dreams to what thoughts, experiences, worries or so on they were inspired by in my waking life, which is sometimes as simple as living a real-life version of a video game I recently played, or slightly more tricky as emphasizing a worry about something I had (like my room's floor being covered in bugs, which in real life was simply the bug paranoia you get after finding a spider in your room lol)
5:40 AM
Though the timespan in which the experiences dreams draw from happened seems pretty crazy. Most stuff is recent for me, but occasionally I have dreams drawing upon thoughts and experiences from many years ago.
5:40 AM
But it's no great mystery where a dream about not being able to find your class in a big, new school came from
I think that only reaffirms my point. Dreams often offer a way of handling and working through waking thoughts and experiences whether from just the day or old traumas and unconscious problems.
As for that last part, those dreams actually can have different meanings for different people regarding their current life problems. For instance they may have begun a new job and the dream is using that setting because they are both causing similar anxieties that need handled.
5:44 AM
Another person could experience that dream because they just entered a new chaotic relationship though and they connected the feeling of being lost and confused with an old first school day experience.
Luminesce: I'm just very weary of using the word "meanings" with dreams(edited)
5:45 AM
I agree that dream content says a lot about the state of your mind, both in conscious and not-so-conscious thoughts and feelings
5:46 AM
But I really, really, really hate "dream interpretation" books/articles/etc.
5:46 AM
The only one who should interpret your dreams with any certainty is you, I'm strongly against books that go "dreaming of owls means you've had something BIG on your mind you need to consider"
5:47 AM
Individuals' dream content is too different to be saying anything like that, at least until and unless large scale studies are done that show strong evidence that "Dreaming your teeth fall out means you've been worrying about your dental health" or something
5:49 AM
I think I have an immense amount of experience reading discussion of dreaming (and a book by researchers here and there), and I still would not trust myself to interpret anyone's dreams in this way
5:49 AM
But yes. Interpreting your own dreams is perfectly fine, and perhaps even part of why humans dream in the first place.
5:50 AM
Just don't get your interpretation guidelines from some scam author
I see, when I discuss dream meaning I'm coming from a psycholoanalytical/psychodynamic Jung and more modern researchers viewpoint, not a "1,000 dreams interpreted volume 2" viewpoint.
Luminesce: It's just very difficult to be sure of what the neural connections someone else experiences may be, and I find that incredibly important for dream interpretation.(edited)
5:53 AM
I can trace back nearly every single aspect of any dream I have to past experiences/thoughts, but that's only because I can feel the connections in my brain when thinking about them
5:53 AM
A place in a dream, though I've never seen it specifically before, will often strongly have the feeling of a place I do actually know
5:55 AM
There's surely connections/meanings so obvious that someone else could interpret them - again, the "finding your class in a new school" sorts of dreams - but I think once we get down to the nitty-gritty where dream interpretation becomes particularly revealing and interesting, other people start to lose accuracy in guessing at someone else's experiences.
5:55 AM
Though if you're not talking like a scammer there's nothing wrong with giving your best guesses, phrased as such
5:55 AM
Obviously it's just the wording of such scams that upsets me
5:56 AM
It'll just be up to the person in question to consider your suggestions and if they apply to them
I can't relate to that. Most of my system's dreams are very much not connected to our irl surroundings with some exceptions. We very much have "other" type experience whenever we dream
Luminesce: Yeah, I don't assume everyone's dreams' connections work so clearly.(edited)
5:57 AM
If anything that only makes it more dangerous/chaotic to infer on someone else's behalf without even typical obvious connections to guess off of
5:58 AM
If we're talking something like a one-on-one therapy session style of "dream interpretation" here though, it's worth saying that individuals tend to create their own necessary therapy just by being guided to talk and consider their own thoughts and feelings. No real "guessing" or accurate-interpretation is really necessary to guide someone through interpreting meaning from their own dreams, if you're taking this approach
5:59 AM
They might even be completely wrong about what thoughts/experiences caused a dream, but the results of that interpretation/meaning-creation/therapy can be beneficial to them regardless. I don't think that's dangerous at all, really
6:00 AM
Think tarot cards and creating meaningful interpretations out of literal randomness
6:01 AM
A card might show up just because you habitually moved your fingers in a certain way while shuffling, but by pondering its meaning for yourself you can come up with actually meaningful and actionable decisions, or even realize something about yourself
For an example of our dreams last night we had a 3 part dream centering on interdimensional aliens and their slow invasion and corruption of our world while we lived in a world affected by it. Often times it didn't even follow a pov that could be recognized as me but instead through the eyes of various characters from different countries and such. The first part followed our body and whoever was fronting while they handled a personal experience, the second section was reading a fictional telling of the aliens that seemed to be propaganda, and the third followed many characters throughout the world as it was being slowly overtaken.
6:03 AM
It even included a subplot of a French and British revolution taking place at the same time with help from eachother, only for it to be revealed that the British revolution leader was one of the entities in disguise. It was very complex and weird and such dreams are common for us.
If you have emotional problems it is probably equally as hard to teach your tulpa how to help you as it is helping yourself, and the second is probably just more effective.
That said, your tulpa can certainly be someone to lean on that could help you in a way an external person could. Just by beeing with you and beeing suportive and understanding.
8:08 PM
Think of how you could help a friend if they were going through a tough moment.
8:08 PM
There is usually no "real" help you can offer to "solve" their situation, but that doesnt mean that you cannot make their day much better.
Then this is your answer. Which is probably just "you already know how to do it". The problem here still being, you and your tulpa share a brain, a panic attack is somehow gonna affect both of you which is not the case for different humans.
@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) sorry for pinging you, but I have another question about the same topic
You see, we are a dissociative system (OSDD), and although we share most memories, when an alter fronts, the emotions the past fronter was feeling kinda "vanish" from the body.
Since the system as a whole work this way, would the tulpa also be able to do it?
If so, maybe they could help in less drastic situations as intended
a technique that works for me is to sit down, put hand on tummy and breath through stomach. it's really helping calming down
10:16 PM
it can take 10-20minutes but works every time
10:18 PM
i understand coping with panic attack by yourself can be hard and scary but relying on a headmate is not reliable in a situation like that because as destin mentioned you are sharing a brain
10:19 PM
having simple techniques to help yourself is much more reliable
10:20 PM
if you want to learn more about it you can google diaphragmatic breathing
people have different rules for breathing like for example 4-5-6
it means 4seconds inhale, 5seconds hold and 6seconds exhale
you can experiment with ratio that works for you, just remember to exhale for longer than you inhale
Guys, I'm going through something kinda stupid. I can't tell for sure if my Tulpa wants something because he wants it or because I want it. about something really sensitive, and his answer is going to define our relationship, so what do I do? How can I convince myself it's his answer to.
You have been struggling with parrotnoia for quite a while now. I think it would be helpful to resolve that issue first before making a big decision like this.
1:04 PM
Do you have an bot account for your tulpa set up in #tupperbox-pluralkit yet? I wonder if me talking to your tulpa would help
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